kris04
09-12 09:26 PM
Hey guys
Just received email from CRIS regarding I-485 denial notice for both me and my wife.
I used AC21 after 9 months of filing I-485. My I-140 was approved before even filing I-485 in July fiasco.
My attorney promptly sent AC-21 and G-28 and i did see LUD on my and my wife's I-485 after that.
My previous company informed me sometime ago that they are going to revoke I-140 and probably they did and i am assuming that's what triggered this.
This is certainly a big damm mistake they did even after sending AC-21 docs and G-28.
sorry to hear about your new issue. Your case can be easily fought back, cheer up. My case was AC 21 and fortunately my I 485 was approved last month without any RFE, but before approval I spoke to NSC customer service and got hold off a very good guy , who happened to be very helpful, he mentioned that the letter requesting to port the employer or change of attorney need to be addressed to appropriate division, failure to do will cause all these problems, since it take time for the USCIS to route the letter to correct division and most likely getting lost. The only solution to address this kind of problem is to bring the much needed regulation to AC 21 , a formal application process where we can track the progress.
Cheer up, good luck
regards
kris
Just received email from CRIS regarding I-485 denial notice for both me and my wife.
I used AC21 after 9 months of filing I-485. My I-140 was approved before even filing I-485 in July fiasco.
My attorney promptly sent AC-21 and G-28 and i did see LUD on my and my wife's I-485 after that.
My previous company informed me sometime ago that they are going to revoke I-140 and probably they did and i am assuming that's what triggered this.
This is certainly a big damm mistake they did even after sending AC-21 docs and G-28.
sorry to hear about your new issue. Your case can be easily fought back, cheer up. My case was AC 21 and fortunately my I 485 was approved last month without any RFE, but before approval I spoke to NSC customer service and got hold off a very good guy , who happened to be very helpful, he mentioned that the letter requesting to port the employer or change of attorney need to be addressed to appropriate division, failure to do will cause all these problems, since it take time for the USCIS to route the letter to correct division and most likely getting lost. The only solution to address this kind of problem is to bring the much needed regulation to AC 21 , a formal application process where we can track the progress.
Cheer up, good luck
regards
kris
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LONGGCQUE
05-17 12:17 PM
Team IV. Done, I sent emails to my NE congressman.
flresident
06-11 08:22 AM
Even though I am an EB2 filer and very happy to see the Eb2 movement, I feel sorry for EB3 guys. Hopefully Eb3 will start moving faster soon. This is good news but we should focus on our current priorities and help IV core members to accomplish our main goal. Yesterday only I contributed to IV and I hope rest of the members do the same.
Good luck to all who are current.
Eb2, PD: June 2006
Good luck to all who are current.
Eb2, PD: June 2006
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ram04
12-08 07:09 PM
Thanks to all the moral support given by Chandvu,Pd Recapturing and all others.
With all your wishes and almighty blessings today I got MTR approval and I485 into reopen status.
My earlier employer revoked I 140 in Sept 08 . Applied MTR in OCT and got MTR approval and 485 reopened notification today.
However online still not updated - may be site is still down.
Thanks again.
- Ram
With all your wishes and almighty blessings today I got MTR approval and I485 into reopen status.
My earlier employer revoked I 140 in Sept 08 . Applied MTR in OCT and got MTR approval and 485 reopened notification today.
However online still not updated - may be site is still down.
Thanks again.
- Ram
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eb2waiter
06-09 07:30 PM
First decide whether we are FOR CIR or NOT.
Looks like a lot of people have doubt on this basic question.
The answer is not simple because of the various stages many people are in.
In fact for me CIR in its current state is better. However, for a person who has not cleared the labor, cir will not be favorable, as he/she has to reapply.
In my humble opinion we should just ask for one or two minor things, and this "comprehensive" approach of we are the "pork" in the bill is flawed.
We should at the most ask for the basics. "recapture of past visas", and ability to file I-485 immediately. Highlight that this is only a matter of interpretation by uscis and no major law change. These two points itself will have IMMENSE benefit for us.
Any change that is drastic like removal of visa cap for STEM etc, most likely will forever remain a dream.
I can tell your case. If you apply now by EB you will get gc within 3 to 7 years time. If you apply by point system after 5 years of USA experience and you will have employer sponsor you will have 16 points more than those who are coming fresh to USA. So both point system and EB system you will get at the same time period. Process delay will be minimal as no labor or I140.
Looks like a lot of people have doubt on this basic question.
The answer is not simple because of the various stages many people are in.
In fact for me CIR in its current state is better. However, for a person who has not cleared the labor, cir will not be favorable, as he/she has to reapply.
In my humble opinion we should just ask for one or two minor things, and this "comprehensive" approach of we are the "pork" in the bill is flawed.
We should at the most ask for the basics. "recapture of past visas", and ability to file I-485 immediately. Highlight that this is only a matter of interpretation by uscis and no major law change. These two points itself will have IMMENSE benefit for us.
Any change that is drastic like removal of visa cap for STEM etc, most likely will forever remain a dream.
I can tell your case. If you apply now by EB you will get gc within 3 to 7 years time. If you apply by point system after 5 years of USA experience and you will have employer sponsor you will have 16 points more than those who are coming fresh to USA. So both point system and EB system you will get at the same time period. Process delay will be minimal as no labor or I140.
gapala
03-05 08:23 PM
$5000 shouldn't be a big deal for a quarter million community who's seeking some information on this...I guess either IV should start and campaign and collect money for this or we can saperately collect money for this..
Sounds great!
Where did you get this number from? :D:D:D:D
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Sounds great!
Where did you get this number from? :D:D:D:D
May be you had a cartesian join :))
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amitjoey
05-31 04:43 PM
I am confused. it is very contradicting.
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chanduv23
12-10 11:16 AM
Check this thread
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16004
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16004
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franklin
09-04 05:28 PM
I would love to attend the rally. However my financial condition at this time does not permit me. I could have booked a ticket on my credit card but all my cards are max out!
You want to know why I am in this financial deep hole? Well, I have two sons in college and paying out of state tuition, that is over $17,000 per semester for both of them.
My wife on H4 could not work until now that she has an EAD. It is retrogression that I should blame and I would love to do all in my power to obtain relief or bring the issue to the attention of the American public.
In my own way I have contributed to IV both in cash and in kind. I have told me story in countless media interviews. I only wish I could do more for IV financially but alas I am not able to do that at this time.
I would be in the rally in spirit....only I wish I could attend in person.
We can help! We want to make sure as many people as possible come to the rally. Those in worse financial positions can take advantage of the many generous offers from other members who are willing to sponsor others.
You have one offer on this thread already http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12441 - check this thread out for more. Yours is a compelling story, and we'd all love to hear it first hand!
You want to know why I am in this financial deep hole? Well, I have two sons in college and paying out of state tuition, that is over $17,000 per semester for both of them.
My wife on H4 could not work until now that she has an EAD. It is retrogression that I should blame and I would love to do all in my power to obtain relief or bring the issue to the attention of the American public.
In my own way I have contributed to IV both in cash and in kind. I have told me story in countless media interviews. I only wish I could do more for IV financially but alas I am not able to do that at this time.
I would be in the rally in spirit....only I wish I could attend in person.
We can help! We want to make sure as many people as possible come to the rally. Those in worse financial positions can take advantage of the many generous offers from other members who are willing to sponsor others.
You have one offer on this thread already http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12441 - check this thread out for more. Yours is a compelling story, and we'd all love to hear it first hand!
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Lasantha
07-06 07:25 PM
Updates:
I got an email from my law firm, that my packet was refused to be accepted by USCIS.
I received the email from my law firm (Monday night - July 2) that:
Please note however your case was sent to Nebraska last night and did arrive - we tried!
Which means mine was sent or reached NSC sunday night or must have been hand delievered early Mon morning. Don't know exactly what happened. I just trust them!!!!
I didn't bother to ask my law firm further details. I will ping them first thing monday morning and try to give any update I get. I hope they have some proof of the refusal!!!!!!!............
OK, that sounds VERY FISHY to me. Now how on earth did they know that the packet contained an I-485 application in order to refuse accepting it. It could have been an I-140. The norm we have seen up to now is that USCIS did accept everything that was delivered on the 2nd. Wheather they will keep it or return it is another matter.
Now it seems to me that your attorney is playing with you. Quite possibly he didn't send it.
I got an email from my law firm, that my packet was refused to be accepted by USCIS.
I received the email from my law firm (Monday night - July 2) that:
Please note however your case was sent to Nebraska last night and did arrive - we tried!
Which means mine was sent or reached NSC sunday night or must have been hand delievered early Mon morning. Don't know exactly what happened. I just trust them!!!!
I didn't bother to ask my law firm further details. I will ping them first thing monday morning and try to give any update I get. I hope they have some proof of the refusal!!!!!!!............
OK, that sounds VERY FISHY to me. Now how on earth did they know that the packet contained an I-485 application in order to refuse accepting it. It could have been an I-140. The norm we have seen up to now is that USCIS did accept everything that was delivered on the 2nd. Wheather they will keep it or return it is another matter.
Now it seems to me that your attorney is playing with you. Quite possibly he didn't send it.
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ubetman
04-26 02:32 PM
Here is my contribution : $100
Receipt ID: 6UD00049AE1231400
Thanks and good luck to all..
Receipt ID: 6UD00049AE1231400
Thanks and good luck to all..
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gsmishra
07-23 03:02 PM
Was ur application sent to Nebraska or Texas?
I understand they are forwarding some appls to Texas from Nebraska.
And Texas is much faster.
I got to know from my attorney that, USCIS has my I 140 information in their system and they gave him a receipt number. But, the receipt is not generated yet. It may take a week or so to get the receipt. My appl was filed on 12th and it reached NSC on 13th.
I checked the status online with this receipt # and online status shows that they recieved the aplication on 19th and its at Texas center. May be my appl was moved to Texas now.
I understand they are forwarding some appls to Texas from Nebraska.
And Texas is much faster.
I got to know from my attorney that, USCIS has my I 140 information in their system and they gave him a receipt number. But, the receipt is not generated yet. It may take a week or so to get the receipt. My appl was filed on 12th and it reached NSC on 13th.
I checked the status online with this receipt # and online status shows that they recieved the aplication on 19th and its at Texas center. May be my appl was moved to Texas now.
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sam_hoosier
12-10 03:32 PM
This is something a texas IV aspiring member has to go through. I am sure Amma was the participant of one of the successful lawmaker meetings. There is something wrong here when IV is so harsh on a contributing member like Amma.
Lets be fair here. RSVPing and not showing up is rude & unprofessional, and unbecoming of so called 'high skilled immigrants'. Its besides the point that the concerned members are contributing. Not to pick on any one member, but you can always call up to let the organizer know that you have a last minute conflict come up and will not be able to make it.
Its about common courtesy & decency :cool:
Lets be fair here. RSVPing and not showing up is rude & unprofessional, and unbecoming of so called 'high skilled immigrants'. Its besides the point that the concerned members are contributing. Not to pick on any one member, but you can always call up to let the organizer know that you have a last minute conflict come up and will not be able to make it.
Its about common courtesy & decency :cool:
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praveenuppaluri
04-10 03:44 PM
I have absolutely no right to ask that question because i have never contributed money.
See, you are a rational human being and know what to ask for...
But when i am told that I dont have access to this thread or that thread because I am not a donor...I do have the right to question if this organization actually represents all immigrants or just the donors?? If the motto of IV becomes "Change for fairness and justice (For Donors Only)" then it would make a lot more sense to me. But as long as IV keeps on harping that they represent the plight of legal immigrants (which I am) then I do have the right to ask the question ..."What exactly has IV done?" .
Oops, ok.. I will take that rational thing back.. a lawyer who get paid by you "represents" you and anything he says will be treated as your word. similarly, PR people who get paid and "represents" you - yeah, their statements are counted as yours.. you have a right over their actions that are "representing" you.. you can sue them, fire them etc... now, IV "representing" legal immigration - and you as legal immigration claiming rights over thier action.. are they really the same ?? i don't think both the above "representations" are the same.. enligten me.. how can you claim the right to ask IV anything ..
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...).
hmmn.. back on being rational again... Thats where the DONOR forum begins.. so that we can "rightfully" ask the updates and get them
Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money.
I agree.. and you don't have any right to question the morality of IV or anyone who is contributing.. there are many many threads asking CORE questions about what they are doing and most of them don't have time to read through old posts.. CORE can only answer so many posts a day.. so, the DONOR forum which should be easy for them to manage...
The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious
yeah.. look where Repulicans are now..
and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
the so called attacks are only when freeloaders DEMAND the answers and then talk about their rights because they are "legal"..
ever heard of the statement "ask not what the country has done for you but ask what you have done for the country ?" - I guess the gist is, because you are born doesn't give you any right to demand.. so, if you replace "legal immigration community" in the above statement, what have we done to the legal immigration community ?? IV is educating people to understand our plights and our DC rally is a good effort in that step - are you there in that rally supporting the community ?? if you are - atleast you are doing someting.. if you think that I am ranting on those who didn't show-up.. may be I am.. thats one opportunity we missed and since then we had electons, change of congress. we may have another rally soon.. when the IV comes up with another effort like that, will you come join me at that rally?
See, you are a rational human being and know what to ask for...
But when i am told that I dont have access to this thread or that thread because I am not a donor...I do have the right to question if this organization actually represents all immigrants or just the donors?? If the motto of IV becomes "Change for fairness and justice (For Donors Only)" then it would make a lot more sense to me. But as long as IV keeps on harping that they represent the plight of legal immigrants (which I am) then I do have the right to ask the question ..."What exactly has IV done?" .
Oops, ok.. I will take that rational thing back.. a lawyer who get paid by you "represents" you and anything he says will be treated as your word. similarly, PR people who get paid and "represents" you - yeah, their statements are counted as yours.. you have a right over their actions that are "representing" you.. you can sue them, fire them etc... now, IV "representing" legal immigration - and you as legal immigration claiming rights over thier action.. are they really the same ?? i don't think both the above "representations" are the same.. enligten me.. how can you claim the right to ask IV anything ..
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...).
hmmn.. back on being rational again... Thats where the DONOR forum begins.. so that we can "rightfully" ask the updates and get them
Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money.
I agree.. and you don't have any right to question the morality of IV or anyone who is contributing.. there are many many threads asking CORE questions about what they are doing and most of them don't have time to read through old posts.. CORE can only answer so many posts a day.. so, the DONOR forum which should be easy for them to manage...
The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious
yeah.. look where Repulicans are now..
and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
the so called attacks are only when freeloaders DEMAND the answers and then talk about their rights because they are "legal"..
ever heard of the statement "ask not what the country has done for you but ask what you have done for the country ?" - I guess the gist is, because you are born doesn't give you any right to demand.. so, if you replace "legal immigration community" in the above statement, what have we done to the legal immigration community ?? IV is educating people to understand our plights and our DC rally is a good effort in that step - are you there in that rally supporting the community ?? if you are - atleast you are doing someting.. if you think that I am ranting on those who didn't show-up.. may be I am.. thats one opportunity we missed and since then we had electons, change of congress. we may have another rally soon.. when the IV comes up with another effort like that, will you come join me at that rally?
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eb3_nepa
05-25 11:49 PM
Just I485:
Isn't just I485 receipt enough -
c. If you are an applicant for adjustment of status, a copy of a USCIS receipt as evidence that you filed the adjustment application
( (a) AND (b) ) OR (c)
+ Photographs:
...or if you are in the United States and filing for advance parole document.
You must submit two identical color photographs of yourself taken within 30 days of the filing of this application.
(Photo spec on page 5 of http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-131instr.pdf)
Alongwith I131 and US$305
Note: When I filed EAD, I didn't do over documentation (refer to http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18737). In case of AP also overdocumentation should not be required.
I am not sure what you mean...
Isn't just I485 receipt enough -
c. If you are an applicant for adjustment of status, a copy of a USCIS receipt as evidence that you filed the adjustment application
( (a) AND (b) ) OR (c)
+ Photographs:
...or if you are in the United States and filing for advance parole document.
You must submit two identical color photographs of yourself taken within 30 days of the filing of this application.
(Photo spec on page 5 of http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-131instr.pdf)
Alongwith I131 and US$305
Note: When I filed EAD, I didn't do over documentation (refer to http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18737). In case of AP also overdocumentation should not be required.
I am not sure what you mean...
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Canadian_Dream
02-11 02:37 PM
Pappu,
This post does clarify visa recapture issues, but what about concurrent 140/485 filing ? Also, if our fate is still so tied up with 12+ millions illegals, doesn't that mean that we failed to make our case, even with so much media coverage, lobbying and our personal efforts to call the law makers. Could another explanation be that lawmakers have all but refised to treat us with dignity we deserved as an educated, law abiding, tax paying citizens contributing to the society. I believe that we didn't fail and we tried what we could but still lawmakers refuse to act on our casue, may be they are implying something without explicitly saying it ?
Here is an update on Visa recapture from Aman:
"I know some people ask for achievements of Immigration Voice and comment, sometimes ridicule, that Immigration Voice has not been able to get even one provision in last one year. There are many other organizations working on behalf of various groups. If no immigration provision has passed in more than last one year, does it mean that all those organizations are also ineffective? We all know that this is a world of instant gratification but please understand that there are groups who go to DC to get their issues addressed and they wait for 2, 3 -5 years before anybody would start listening to their issues. You see, just to explain using an analogy, Microsoft is working to get H-1b numbers increased long before Immigration Voice started. If Microsoft has not been able to get Congress to increase H-1B numbers, does it mean that Microsoft is no longer an effective corporation? Likewise, Immigration Voice has made significant progress but due to the political climate and statistical discussion about the undocumented, which of�course is different but an important issue, our provisions are clubbed in the comprehensive bill. If it would have been any other year when Congress was not considering the issue of undocumented or comprehensive immigration reform, advocacy effort of Immigration Voice would have definitely translated all our provisions into law six months back.
If you want us to get Visa recapture as interim fix, allow me to share with you that as it stands today, it will not happen outside of Comprehensive bill. Infact as it stands right now, even H-1B increase will also not happen outside of comprehensive bill. Reason? Most of the groups and companies have stopped pushing for temporary relief because any kind of temporary relief or interim relief chips away support from CIR and the offices of Senate and House Leadership along with other proponents of CIR have made it clear that any immigration relief has to be a part of CIR and not outside of it. Other companies/coalitions have stopped pushing for temporary H-1B increase as they do not want to be in the bad books of committee chairmen and the leadership offices by trying to sneak temporary relief that divides the supporters of CIR. Leadership wants support for CIR and want all sides to wait for CIR. And not doing so and trying to get interim relief before CIR would put them in bad books of Senate and House leadership, which no one wants coz if CIR fails, then after CIR, these offices will not co-operate with any group that tried to take away support from CIR. So it would be counter-productive politically to do things that take away good stuff from CIR. Also, if you think that any effort in the final week could help in anyway, then let me to share with you that most provisions and their language are decided much in advance and last minute efforts almost never yield any result on the Hill."
This post does clarify visa recapture issues, but what about concurrent 140/485 filing ? Also, if our fate is still so tied up with 12+ millions illegals, doesn't that mean that we failed to make our case, even with so much media coverage, lobbying and our personal efforts to call the law makers. Could another explanation be that lawmakers have all but refised to treat us with dignity we deserved as an educated, law abiding, tax paying citizens contributing to the society. I believe that we didn't fail and we tried what we could but still lawmakers refuse to act on our casue, may be they are implying something without explicitly saying it ?
Here is an update on Visa recapture from Aman:
"I know some people ask for achievements of Immigration Voice and comment, sometimes ridicule, that Immigration Voice has not been able to get even one provision in last one year. There are many other organizations working on behalf of various groups. If no immigration provision has passed in more than last one year, does it mean that all those organizations are also ineffective? We all know that this is a world of instant gratification but please understand that there are groups who go to DC to get their issues addressed and they wait for 2, 3 -5 years before anybody would start listening to their issues. You see, just to explain using an analogy, Microsoft is working to get H-1b numbers increased long before Immigration Voice started. If Microsoft has not been able to get Congress to increase H-1B numbers, does it mean that Microsoft is no longer an effective corporation? Likewise, Immigration Voice has made significant progress but due to the political climate and statistical discussion about the undocumented, which of�course is different but an important issue, our provisions are clubbed in the comprehensive bill. If it would have been any other year when Congress was not considering the issue of undocumented or comprehensive immigration reform, advocacy effort of Immigration Voice would have definitely translated all our provisions into law six months back.
If you want us to get Visa recapture as interim fix, allow me to share with you that as it stands today, it will not happen outside of Comprehensive bill. Infact as it stands right now, even H-1B increase will also not happen outside of comprehensive bill. Reason? Most of the groups and companies have stopped pushing for temporary relief because any kind of temporary relief or interim relief chips away support from CIR and the offices of Senate and House Leadership along with other proponents of CIR have made it clear that any immigration relief has to be a part of CIR and not outside of it. Other companies/coalitions have stopped pushing for temporary H-1B increase as they do not want to be in the bad books of committee chairmen and the leadership offices by trying to sneak temporary relief that divides the supporters of CIR. Leadership wants support for CIR and want all sides to wait for CIR. And not doing so and trying to get interim relief before CIR would put them in bad books of Senate and House leadership, which no one wants coz if CIR fails, then after CIR, these offices will not co-operate with any group that tried to take away support from CIR. So it would be counter-productive politically to do things that take away good stuff from CIR. Also, if you think that any effort in the final week could help in anyway, then let me to share with you that most provisions and their language are decided much in advance and last minute efforts almost never yield any result on the Hill."
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sam_hoosier
06-08 02:55 PM
We almost fell in to the Fire from the Frying Pan. Now that we are back in the Frying Pan, somehow it doesn't feel that bad of a place to be in. LOL :D
Well said. After having waited for almost 6-12 months for this bill to come to the senate, I am actually glad to see it fall through.
Well said. After having waited for almost 6-12 months for this bill to come to the senate, I am actually glad to see it fall through.
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saikatmandal
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But how will the media cover a fast ? The logistics of getting everyone at public venues to fast will be difficult I am sure !
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yabadaba
07-20 04:10 PM
u cannot roll into a roth directly. u have to roll into a regular ira and then to a roth.
but the earlier statement made sense.. dont withdraw immidiately..wait till the next yr and then withdraw from ira..so ur taxes will be 10% penalty and ur tax rate at that time...which will depend on the value of ur 401k.
so if make 80k now and are in the 25% bracket and u have 80k in 401k then u ll have to pay taxes equivalent to the 25% bracket.
but if u make 80k and have 20k in 401k then u r bracket will be the lowest one.
but the earlier statement made sense.. dont withdraw immidiately..wait till the next yr and then withdraw from ira..so ur taxes will be 10% penalty and ur tax rate at that time...which will depend on the value of ur 401k.
so if make 80k now and are in the 25% bracket and u have 80k in 401k then u ll have to pay taxes equivalent to the 25% bracket.
but if u make 80k and have 20k in 401k then u r bracket will be the lowest one.
felix31
08-06 07:44 AM
and the story unfolds....
I got biometrics notice for an appointment in the past :mad::mad::mad:
So, I made copies of the notice and put together cover leter and asked to be rescheduled for Sep.
Will call next week to follow up. In the meantime I noticed soft LUD on the date of my supposed biometrics....but the online message still says document production ordered....
Total chaos guys....:mad:
I got biometrics notice for an appointment in the past :mad::mad::mad:
So, I made copies of the notice and put together cover leter and asked to be rescheduled for Sep.
Will call next week to follow up. In the meantime I noticed soft LUD on the date of my supposed biometrics....but the online message still says document production ordered....
Total chaos guys....:mad:
svam77
07-20 06:03 PM
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/ReceiptingTimes20Jul07.pdf
NSC is August 1st now. Thats kind of a relief ...
NSC is August 1st now. Thats kind of a relief ...
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